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Is the Legal System Every Lawyer’s Biggest Enemy? ft. Legal Futurist Sateesh Nori

39:08 min

 

Lawyers can (technically) be the superheroes society needs them to be but the legal system simply doesn’t allow it. With a broken system, flawed legal aid and crumbling structures, justice gets the short end of the stick - but can AI be part of the solution? In this episode of Between the Briefs, hosts Adrian Cea and Joe Stephens welcome Sateesh Nori, Chief Legal Futurist at LawDroid and Senior Research Fellow at NYU School of Law, to explore how justice can truly be democratized.

What You’ll Learn:

  • How to quantify the access to justice crisis

  • Why AI is uniquely suited to legal work

  • The triage bottleneck and how chatbots solve it

  • Why housing court illustrates systemic failure

  • How to reframe legal services as a utility, not a luxury

  • The critical gap in law school curriculum

 

Right now, millions are disenfranchised, without access to the legal care they deserve. Tune in to find out how legal technology is tipping the scales.

Quotes:

  • "I'm someone who always wanted to go to law school. Since I was a kid, I thought it was such a great way to spend time, to help people, to dress up and go to court, to stand up for the little guy. But after a long time practicing as a lawyer, I realized we're like superheroes, but we're being held down by a giant force. And that force is the legal system."

  • "The time that we do have, we're spending not on helping people, but on paperwork, on procedural things, on internal things within the structures of nonprofits, on fundraising, on answering emails. We're probably spending less than 40% of it on actually helping people and more than half of it on the drudgery of working in a big system that's so oppressive."

  • "We're comparing what we're offering to the perfect lawyer, which no one's gonna get. In fact, you're not gonna get anybody. The average person is going to Reddit and Google for help, and they're also going to OpenAI and Gemini. This is already happening. So regulating it from that end is not gonna do anything."

  • "I think law schools are still following law firms. The higher rank the law school, the more insulated they think their students are because they're still gonna get jobs. But you fast forward couple years, and if the law firms stop hiring people from elite law schools, what happens to the law schools? They're not thinking ahead far enough."

  • "We need to be the McDonald's. Instead, we're operating even the most modest legal services office like a fancy Michelin star French restaurant. People want burgers and fries and pizza, the basic answers to their legal problems, and we're like, let me see what the chef has in mind for you today. It's totally broken."

Highlights

02:29
Sateesh's Journey from Housing Court to Legal Technology

04:26 
Let's Quantify the Access to Justice Crisis

07:20 
Why Large Language Models Are Architecturally Perfect for Legal Work

09:10 
The Harsh Truth About Housing Courts Today

13:04 
Fixing the System Before Court, Rent Assistance & Bureaucratic Friction

14:12 
Building Intelligent Triage Systems that Eliminate Burnout

16:50 
Courts Need Both Systemic Reform and Technology

19:30 
Why Comparative Risk Analysis is Our Best Friend Right Now

About the Contributors

Joe Stephens

Joe Stephens, J.D., is Steno's Director of Legal Solutions as well as a Clinical Lecturer at Texas Tech University School of Law. With over 15 years of experience in criminal defense and public service, he founded and led Texas' largest rural public defender office, which serves a 12-county area. A graduate of The University of Texas School of Law (cum laude) and Vanderbilt University (B.A.), Stephens currently serves as a Board Member of the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's Association (TCDLA) and sits on multiple State Bar of Texas committees. His expertise spans the intersection of legal practice and technological innovation in the justice system.

Adrian Cea

Adrian Cea is Steno's Social Media Manager, leading content strategy, audience engagement, and digital brand-building across platforms. He also produces and co-hosts Between the Briefs, Steno's podcast covering the intersection of legal technology, court reporting, and the future of litigation. With a background spanning content creation, field marketing, and sales at companies like Sell Better and Chili Piper, Adrian brings a multi-disciplined lens to making complex legal tech topics accessible and engaging.