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Retaining Top Legal Talent in 2026: The Playbook by Karen Mesmer

38:28 min

Retaining top legal talent often feels like an uphill climb. Unless you have Karen Mesmer’s playbook. In this episode of Between the Briefs, Karen, Legal Services Manager at Shook, Hardy and Bacon, joins hosts Adrian Cea and Joe Stephens to explore how premier litigation firms are evolving their operations in the face of technological disruption.

What You’ll Learn:

  • How to evaluate AI tools without replacing institutional knowledge
  • The essential soft skills that no technology can replicate
  • Why technical fluency in platforms like Excel and document management systems is now table stakes
  • The retention secret of fostering a culture of deliberate care and shared responsibility
  • How to structure career pathways that grow talent internally
  • The discipline of vendor evaluation & prioritizing transparency and fair value exchange

 

The legal industry is nothing without its people. So, it’s time we started paying attention to them.

Quotes:

  1. “Manners is another good one. You know, I think please and thank you go a long way. I sometimes have to, you know, do backspace, backspace and put in the word please because I'm shooting something off really fast. But I think those are important. I do think someone who cares about the firm and cares about the people that are on their team is really important.”
  2. “The customer is always right, which means our clients, even if they're not right, they're right. You've got to know that because that's the way you need to treat them.”
  3. “And when COVID happened, that took a nice chunk of business, you know, stopped it. And I can't remember if it was six months before we ever went back into the courtroom or maybe even longer, maybe it was a year, but no one got laid off. They made it work. I swear it's just a kindness that I see. And another thing is you'll see people who, you know, all of a sudden someone's got an emergency and so we'll send out some emails for help. Tons of people say, "I'll help.”
  4. “You have to like change. I mean, there are some people that have probably never moved the furniture around in their house. And if they haven't, and they're not going to necessarily change in this environment, and this especially since COVID, this environment has really changed a bunch. And I've liked everything that has changed.”

Highlights:

00:00
Introduction & Meeting Karen Mesmer

03:00
Behind Karen’s Four Decades of Legal Innovation

04:45
Why Energy and Soft Skills Beat Credentials

06:06
Navigating the Tech Transitions of Legal

10:56
Hiring, Firing, Manners and Accountability

17:20
AI as Enhancement, Not Replacement: The Future of Legal Work

20:46
Digital Literacy as Table Stakes for Modern Operations

About the Contributors

Joe Stephens

Joe Stephens, J.D., is Steno's Director of Legal Solutions as well as a Clinical Lecturer at Texas Tech University School of Law. With over 15 years of experience in criminal defense and public service, he founded and led Texas' largest rural public defender office, which serves a 12-county area. A graduate of The University of Texas School of Law (cum laude) and Vanderbilt University (B.A.), Stephens currently serves as a Board Member of the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's Association (TCDLA) and sits on multiple State Bar of Texas committees. His expertise spans the intersection of legal practice and technological innovation in the justice system.

Adrian Cea

Adrian Cea is Steno's Social Media Manager, leading content strategy, audience engagement, and digital brand-building across platforms. He also produces and co-hosts Between the Briefs, Steno's podcast covering the intersection of legal technology, court reporting, and the future of litigation. With a background spanning content creation, field marketing, and sales at companies like Sell Better and Chili Piper, Adrian brings a multi-disciplined lens to making complex legal tech topics accessible and engaging.